. >> the government is us? >> in your ideal world, what percent of the economy should government be? >> for me, housing, healthcare and education in addition to national defense i think that the government must provide for people and that is probably where we differ. if that means 20% i'm i kay with it. if it means 30% i'm okay with it. i don't think it will get that big it. >> it is already bigger than that. for the history of america it was tiny, less than 5%. >> much of that has to do with inefficiency and waste. >> but you want more. >> i don't want more inefficiency and waste. it is not big enough now. it is not big enough now. >> it is awfully big. so big that we are now $13 trillion in debt and yet they keep spending more. >> there you go. there you go. we are done. >> how will we pay for it? we fight most about the income tax. >> raising taxes is a recipe for disaster. >> but there are so many other taxes. payroll. corporate. capital gains. estate. sales taxes. equal to the income tax are dozens of snea